i'm a christian and thats still pretty objectionable to me.... them yanking the plate i mean. yea. free speech i say. - eric
There's something scarier! Police state here we come!
2002-03-15 06:09 am (UTC)
good fucking god! wait....i mean....what the hell? why dont we just go around taking the darwin fish off of people's cars too? and while we are at it, lets just take the stupid jesus fish off too because you know what? that pisses ME off. and we would not want anybody to do ANYthing that involves free thought and expression.
2002-03-15 07:25 am (UTC)
actually its a good idea
there is supposed to seperation of church and state in the country
and he was using the state to promote a religious view although it was very indirectly
and as much as you may not care if someone has the license plate "god lover", it sets a precident and those are typically bad.
the thing that gets me though is a women in maine i think, it was on cnn yesterday, is not allowed to have the license plate "irish" cuase its an ethnic group.
2002-03-15 07:55 am (UTC)
Re: actually its a good idea
shut up you damn kraut!
2002-03-15 04:27 pm (UTC)
Re: actually its a good idea
Yes, todd, but the seperation of church and state is regarding what the government may regulate and pass laws about. It is perffectly acceptable for people to use government endorsed forums to express their beliefs, because in doing so that does not mean the the government supports those beliefs. The proof of this should be the government's indifference to either side of such issues, which was absent here.
Example: Public access television. This is supported and regulated by the government. Religious and anti-religious messages appear on cable access chanels.
Another point: Even if you somehow contrued the government plate as a government endorsement of the phrase "athiest", this is a government endorsement of labeling the owner of the vehicle as non religious. This statement would not be of any religious merit, but rather would be a descriptive label. This is in no way a regulation on religious beliefs.
Look, there's obviously only one clear answer to these problems. No cars. That way we wouldn't have to worry about who had what government-issued plate. Nor would we have to worry about Darwin fishes or Nader bumperstickers. Plus we'd save hundreds of millions by eliminating the DMV and the associated inspection industries. We'd have less of a need for oil so we could stop pumping up corrupt governments in the middle east that don't even like us anyway and keep that billions here at home. Greasemonkies could get real jobs and none of us would be subjected to annoying homemade dealership commercials starring ex-football stars, poor local talent or lisping grand-children. It's ideal.
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But that world would be so ideal and not annoying! How would any of us ever function!? *smirk*
2002-03-15 08:44 am (UTC)
If Propostition...oh, forget it...
Yes, I guess those fore-thinkers amoung us must always be held back by traditionalists. Perhaps we can compromise. People can keep their cars, but the annoying commercials for them must go. We have hundred of representatives at the state and federal level, from 50 states arguing over how best to regulate tobacco advertising. When I am elected I propose to ride the wave of advertising regulation to pass the "Homemade Car, Mattress and Furniture Commercial Act of 2012." Amoung its many reforms will be the elimination of industry "kings" (i.e. The Mattress King or The Furniture King). Crowns and goofy coronation robes will be strictly forbidden. Likewise, men over the age of 40 will not be allowed to wear tights and pretend to be superheroes. At age 60, the penalty for this infraction shall be death. Grandchildren may be seen, but not heard. Fines of 10,000$ are mandatory for every instance of a talking child under the age of 15 (fines double if the child is too young to say anything understandable anyway, lisps or giggles. Fines quadruple if twins are used). Regional advertising will be allow, but not exported. You can have a cowboy car salesman in Texas, but not in Tennessee. Going out of business sales must be just that. If the company is not out of business by the date stated in the advertisement, government bulldozers will be sent in to level the premises. Finally, business owners must provide documentation proving a minimum expense of 15,000$ and 15 hours spent editing for any commercials shown on non-cable stations between the hours of 6 am and 12 p.m.
*Remember, a vote for Wes, is a vote for going to Mars!
2002-03-15 04:43 pm (UTC)
Re: If Propostition...oh, forget it...
You've got my vote!!!
The hell!??? ::rolls eyes:: I am almost afraid to ask this at this point, but whats next?
They're not pulling the tag because they find it objectionable, they're pulling it to stop people from complaining to them.
Probably so, but they're still a double-standard. Even if I find "GOD4ALL" to be offensive, I can't imagine they'd cancel the plate if I complained about it.
Ok, so both as a physicist and as a philosopher, I have been trained and taught to point out and stress the weakest points of my arguments and propositions, and to point out any possible error in calculations or reasoning I can imagine. why? Because I am looking for the truth, not trying to convince people or sell something. I am not just looking to be right. Lawyers and assholes are the only people who go at it the other way, because they don't care about being right or not, they just want to win the argument, because to them, being right is winning an argument.
If the christians are actually right, why be afraid of other points of view? Why try to oppress any other points of view? Because you don't care about actually being right, you just want to win. Or perhaps because you are afraid you are wrong, but you don't want to make any changes now that you are committed.
2002-03-15 12:19 pm (UTC)
Re: You know you don't care if your right or not when...
Yeah, and why label yourself a Christian by putting a Jesus fish on your car and then not use your blinker? I mean, it pisses me off when someone doesn't use a blinker and I always think "That damn jerk didn't use a blinker!" But when there is a Jesus fish on the car I think "That damn Christian jerk didn't use a blinker!" Over time, I've come to the conclusion that more Christians do not use their blinker than any other religion. As a matter of fact, I've never seen a car with a star of David or a Menorah on the back not use a blinker.
How do they expect to sway new members if they can't even follow their own laws and use a damn blinker!?
What Would Jesus Do? I'll tell you what he'd do, he'd happily and safely indicate his intentions to change lanes for the benefit of all, that's what he'd do!